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Offline Cyrust59

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Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« on: July 15, 2010, 01:59:17 PM »
I’m really fired up over this issue of cocked dice. I had an opponent fail a handoff roll by getting a one but then decide that the dice was cocked and re-rolled and got a 5. HOW CAN THERE STILL BE NO HARD RULES ON THIS.
It’s very freaking easy and I nominate this simple rule for our league. IF YOU CAN TELL WHAT SIDE IS FACING UP THEN THAT IS THE RESULT OF THE ROLL. In other words, if the dice didn’t land with a perfect 45 degree angle so that the sides, for lets say a 3 and a 2, are equally up then it isn’t a cocked dice. We don’t need to include anything about dice landing on the floor because that is universal for most people as a re-roll. If there’s a disagreement about the dice being exactly 45 degrees then the commissioner or someone else can call it a cocked dice which may happen…. once a season maybe.
There’s no way we should be pulling out a freaking plumb line or a god dam level to see if it’s just to uneven for someone or some shit like that. The way cocked dice are now is it's too subjective. I don’t care if it landed on a table cloth fold or on the edge of the board or on the base of my fig. I don’t care if you can put one dice on top of the dice in question and it can sit and stay on top of the dice in or if it slides off. If you can tell that one side is facing more up then any other, then that’s the roll of the dice.
Those are the rules on a craps table in a casino. Maybe $100,000 might be on the line for the casino in one roll. I’ve had the dice land on the casino chips or lean against the edge of the table and they almost never call the dice cocked unless it’s impossible to tell which side is facing up. THAT’S IT.. END OF STORY

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2010, 02:35:57 PM »
As cocked dice go I always follow this rule. If i put another die on top the alleged cocked die and it doesn't fall off the alleged cocked die, my alleged cocked die is not considered cocked. Are you with me :) If the die does fall off then the alleged cocked die is now considered cocked.

Also people should show their rolls to their opponent and not grab them right away. I am guilty of this and I try to give that courtesy to my opponents. Its not that I suspect you are a cheater its that I have seen people read dice wrong. Its a mistake and mistakes happen.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2010, 03:01:48 PM »
Never even thought of this as  problem  ??? I probably just don't take it that seriously, it there was 100K on the line maybe, however I wouldn't play then.  Just play for fun and most of the small stuff, like cocked die seem inconsequential.  :)  S.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2010, 03:02:48 PM »
I understand your rule and it isn't bad. But what if someone is rolling bigger dice vs the standard size. Bigger dice have more surface area and don't slide off as easy so the rules change in my view for some dice as to the angle they have to reach before they become cocked.

It's very basic and very easy. The HOLE point in rolling a dice is to see which side comes up. If you can read which side is facing up then those are the results of your roll.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2010, 03:18:09 PM »
I understand your rule and it isn't bad. But what if someone is rolling bigger dice vs the standard size.

The point is to use similar dice and also if the angle is steep enough it don't matter, that dice will fall. The issue come when you say its cocked and he says its not. Then do the dice test and problem solved takes a few seconds and its fair. The friction to keep a die on is minimal. I don't feel a rule need be put it place only a consideration. A judge shouldn't be used for this sort of thing. If your die is standing on the corner congrats you are the king of dice throwing now re-roll that sucker so it comes out right.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2010, 03:21:51 PM »
I definitely see your point, and there are people who abuse this for sure.

I personally ask the opponent the first time I feel that a die is cocked.  I ask "cocked?"  if they reply in the negative, I then tell them when I feel a die will be cocked, ie any time it is on another surface, ie base, fold, etc.  I then accept their initial ruling, but then reroll any cocked die as I described from then on.

btw if this was me, which it may have been, my apologies, certainly wasn't my intention.
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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2010, 03:25:38 PM »
Cyrust59, it sounds like you need to talk to your opponents before each game.  Explain what you want.  They'll respond.  Then compromise and stick with what is agreed for the game.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 04:12:22 PM »
I definitely see your point, and there are people who abuse this for sure.


Never saw it once in our league ... ever. Nor in any game BB, just my experience, but obviously you have.S.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2010, 04:14:14 PM »
you can argue what a cocked dice is, and what 45 degrees is or is not. The best rule that should be in place for those that need it is a FLAT dice that is facing up is the only legal roll of a single die. There is no disputing a flat rolled dice.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2010, 06:57:33 PM »
Never saw it once in our league ... ever. Nor in any game BB, just my experience, but obviously you have.S.

Not implying it happens here in this league, I was pointing out in general, in my gaming experience.
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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2010, 07:00:44 PM »
If there is to be a rule for this it should if it's not flat on the board it's cocked

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2010, 10:43:56 PM »
Is this an issue?

I can't believe we are wasting space on this non-starter and not discussing disciplinary action for people kicking objects accross a crowded room.

 

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 05:17:47 AM »
I have always re-rolled dice that is on a miniature's base. It sucks when it is a six... and it has happened on several occasions. Other than that... I don't see what else would be considered "cocked" as we play on a perfectly flat surface.  ???

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 06:04:59 AM »
I have always re-rolled dice that is on a miniature's base. It sucks when it is a six... and it has happened on several occasions. Other than that... I don't see what else would be considered "cocked" as we play on a perfectly flat surface.  ???

I think it's mostly our fiddly rounded dice  (the GW d6s or block dice) that have tendency to roll up on to stuff and go cocked on bases or parts of the table, etc.

I’m really fired up over this issue of cocked dice. I had an opponent fail a handoff roll by getting a one but then decide that the dice was cocked and re-rolled and got a 5. HOW CAN THERE STILL BE NO HARD RULES ON THIS.

Joseph, the reason there probably hasn't been a rule on this is probably because  nobody's ever pushed for it. There's nothing wrong with being competitive and wanting to play with strict conventions. But realistically, not everyone is used to it in our league. As Paul said, if interpretation of cocked dice are a major concern for you, it's probably in your best interest to say so before the game--just as you might alert an opponent that you play with strict time or always call IP.

To get to brass tacks on the definition of what is cocked probably misses the point in these cases. I would advise you that it's probably in your best interest to relax and tone it down a notch regarding such conflicts. Invigilating the game is a shared responsibility and becomes next to impossible if a dispute escalates. By all means, if you seriously think a guy is cheating than tell a commish ASAP. But otherwise, even if the league does have a clearly defined dice rolling policy, it's always still up to you and your opponent to communicate your expectations so you can play in good spirit. This is why an actual cocked die definition is a bit pointless, because it's up to both coaches to interact on cocked dice, time, etc. and keep the definitions consistent through the game.

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Re: Cocked dice / Dice rolls
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2010, 10:18:19 AM »
I have always re-rolled dice that is on a miniature's base. It sucks when it is a six... and it has happened on several occasions. Other than that... I don't see what else would be considered "cocked" as we play on a perfectly flat surface.  ???

This is how I have always played as well. and like Jessy said it sometimes works against me when a good number comes up but it is cocked on a models base and I re roll it and get a 1 or something that is a failing roll. I think if you want a hard pressed rule for cocked dice the the rule should just be if the dice isn't flat on the board then you re roll it. I don't think you need any balancing tricks or judges or anything just if something is interfering with the dice laying flat then you re roll it.
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